The Wall of Fire, Tobias & What's Next

11/21/2017

Being as there is no need to reinvent the wheel, I am going to post what Tobias said so many years ago about the trauma associated with the Wall of Fire. It's pretty much perfect. After that I will share my own experience on well beyond the wall of fire. I do not feel so attached to that concept, but I've had many other things come up in regard to trauma and the Will of God.

For those who find comfort in matching a Crimson Circle teaching to their experience (all perspectives welcome), the full text can be found for free on the Crimson Circle website. I had not read this, yet I sensed a trauma when I was traveling related to Divine Will. We were still on Patreon. Karen, being a wealth of information, found this for us. Thank you.

After this, I will be sharing my own personal stories. More than anything, I have spent time pondering sovereignty in the absence of human free will. I highly suggest it if you have not done so in full awareness.

___Tobias' Story____

"When Jack crossed through the Wall of Fire, as we have talked about so often, this was a very traumatic experience for him. When Jack crossed through this wall from the First Creation into the void, it changed everything, it changed everything. When Jack was in the kingdom all things were one; all things were one. There was singular purpose, there was singular direction and there was singular Will. All things emanated outwards from the center of the kingdom. This was wonderful, this was peaceful and loving and it was the way things were in the first circle, in the first Creation. They were as one, as one will. When Jack crossed over through the Wall of Fire into the void he suddenly had a new attribute and it was called Free Will.

This is somewhat difficult to describe in the human words, but we will continue work it. When Jack crossed through he now had the attributes of Free Will. It was no longer singular expansion of All That Is. He entered into a new dimensionality. Jack had always been the prince, the son of the king and queen, the one who would one day accept the throne. But now he was experiencing something totally different -- Free Will. He did not quite so much know how to handle this. For he always thought he understood his Mission, his purpose and his contract in the singular will of the Kingdom. But now, all things were available and all things possible. There was no prescribed path or pattern.

Jack’s journey is your journey. Each of you felt what it was like to go from One Will to Free Will. This has caused many interesting experiences for you. This has caused you to be a free creator in many ways and all of this has been appropriate. All of this is blessed by Spirit. For given Free Will – you and Jack and all the other angels and all of the humans – given Free Will you have been able to expand creation in ways and means that have never been done before. Do you understand the impact of this? You had singular Will – loving indeed, blessed indeed – but it was singular in the original Creation. When you came through the wall you were given Free Will.

When Jack came to Earth and took on biology, he still had Free Will, but now he also had something called the veil. The veil prevented Jack from consciously knowing what transpired from lifetime to lifetime. The veil prevented Jack from understanding his journey that had taken him from the Kingdom into the void, to help create the energy and the templates of your Universe. Combine these two powerful elements – the Veil and Free Will – and there is a very potent energy here. It is one that each of you has been living with.

You have the Free Will to do what you choose. But you have also had the veil so you could not remember so much your decisions and your experiences. Now, here you are, Shaumbra, coming to the completion of your own circle of lifetimes on Earth. You are coming to completion of your journey, coming to the final clearings that will allow you to go to new understandings. As we have said to you before, you do not return home from here. You continue going forward. You continue expanding but there will come the point when the veil is released, when you do have an understanding of your journey, you do have more of a complete understanding of who you are and why you are here.

In the meantime, here you are going through many changes in your life right now, going through many challenges. You expected this ascension process to be one way and it is another. It is not what you thought it would be! As you come full circle, dear friends, there is something interesting that happens. There is a step that you will take. There is a step that we bring to you today. From the inside, it is one that you know is coming, but it must be conveyed from the outside for confirmation. That step is quite simple. Going into the new energy to be the creator you truly are, you need to step past Free Will into your Divine Will."

16 Comments

Xavi

11/21/2017 13:35:01

It is very curious, these days, I do not know very well where, I have read or heard Adamus say that we do not have Free Will, that we gave up it a long time ago, and I also remind him that there is no such thing as the Veil.
Besides that Tobias' ideas about the First Circle and his vision of the exit from it, were a little naive ...

Lauren

11/21/2017 13:46:39

Adamus said in the 2010 channel Karen sent that free will was an illusion but when we think we have free will is does in fact exist in the limited human perception, so that's what Tobias was addressing. All of it feels to mental. If we take it as scripture the art is lost. Tobias shared in 2003 and Adamus seven years later, so they are addresses people where they were in the consciousness of the audience, so of course, it will not be in line.

More than anything I would say to anyone on this path ponder sovereignty in the absence of human free will.

Some people really love to back everything up with other materials. Just like you share the Yogi B stories, which I love. This is similar.

I write for an audience so address the same subject from many angles to create an inclusive environment. By the way, what did Yogi B say about divine will? So curious.

11/22/2017 01:35:52

The truth is that I do not know what Yogi Bhajan said about the Divine Will. If he talked about it he should be masked with some other word, and his talks were aimed at different environments. Some were his students in the 70s, who were hippie and drug addicts. Others in the environment of their religion, addressing those issues.
In the end YB was a Master who was very stuck in human forms and I have not read everything about him either. It's one thing to tell you what I've read and another thing is to tell you a story about his life.

Regarding the first circle, I am going to use it to share the vision that I have accepted as true: No soul in creation, no Ascended Master, they have never remembered how they appeared in the Void after the Wall of Fire. That is the Veil to which they refer. They do not know how the soul was created when or from whom. All those stories of the First Circle are no more than mere speculation. Everyone agrees that they must have come from somewhere but they do not remember. That of Tobias, The First Circle past in The Journey of the Angels, was his vision, his belief, as he would like it to have been. Pure fiction. Nothing more.
It's funny when they say that the Veil on Earth just happened. Ha! The Earth was created with the intention of reproducing all the traumas of the soul after being in the void, and one of them is not remembering where it comes from. This is why I do not believe the stories of "let's evolve the Earth to make it a better place" since all the difficulties and challenges of this kingdom are there on purpose: for the soul to have the opportunity to accept its traumas, that he never did and that's why he embarked on a crazy career of external creation, not to face what terrifies him, his interior. I like to say, that as a human being, I am obliged to do all the dirty work of the soul. That does not mean that once the traumas are accepted, the soul will remember where it comes from.

The other day I was pondering about the lack of Free Will of the human. I imagine: that the human has never had a choice about whether to come to Earth or not. The human has a limited Free Will once he is here, but he did not have it to decide to come.
Imagine Consciousness as a sphere. Within this sphere there are many sub-spheres. Each of them represents a creation, whether individual or collective. One of these sub-spheres is Earth. All the souls that decided to create a sub-sphere here and have not ascended, that's 99.999%, are stuck in their creation. (yes I calculated it, only a 0,0001% of souls that have incarnated on Earth ascended) It must feel like having a thorn stuck permanently.
The soul needs to remove that spine, so it creates a fresh human incarnation for the purpose of unclogging others. She tells him: "Dear human, you will go to Earth, again, in my name, you will carry many traumas and problems that are not yours, but from my previous incarnations, from when I was an asshole and I got into any creation without thinking in the consequences, you will believe that they are yours and when you think that you have finally solved them, they will revert many more times, you will ask yourself what you have done wrong, you have not done anything wrong, I am still stuck on Earth. This (dirty) work that is not yours but you will believe that it is, in exchange I will allow you to experience the ascension in the body ".

As you can see, the human incarnation did not have a choice. It is obligatory since it is what the soul wants. And if this human, somehow rebel or get lost along the way, the soul will do the same, create another fresh incarnation and before releasing it here will explain the deal. This does not seem to me to be Free Will.
In the end there is no choice but to give up so as not to wake up each time in a human body, without remembering, with ancestral karma, blood lines etc; and end this once and for all. In fact, if you ask me, the only attraction that I see to embodied enlightenment is that in the end the soul wants to enter into human reality and when that happens I would like the Divine Will to experience a portion of the traumas that I had to go through in his name, that he suffer in his own flesh, so as not to re-create so irresponsibly. In enough mess his irresponsible Creation has gotten us.

As you can see, my interpretation of my reality is always from the negative prism, it is the lens with which my mind perceives its reality. It does not mean that it is bad, it is. There will be others like Tobias who love to believe in the love of the King and Queen, and the love of God (the soul) almighty.
For me, the love of the soul does not mean anything. This other type of writing, I am aware, that it will not attract many followers. Although many know that positive thinking does not work, all of them continue to deny the negative, as if not allowing themselves to think negatively will cease to exist. IF I have learned something, if I am a Master of something, is

11/22/2017 01:40:41

accept the negative.

11/22/2017 06:11:37

Very interesting, Xavi. I tend to not stress about where my soul come from but I was once in a Keahak group and they debated it fiercely. You would give them a run for the money. Thanks always for adding your perspective. I am here now in this experience, and it doesn't matter the tales.

Guillem

11/21/2017 13:58:52

Pretty much perfect, yes. It feels good. It is for the human to own Divine Will. Thank you!

Sylvia

11/22/2017 00:36:50

I had a dream tonight about leaving oneness and stepping into free will. I was hiking with a group and suddenly I found myself in a building climbing up stairs. I found out it was a tower and I became very mad at my parents because my human self doesn't like height at all. Finally I found my mom and I shouted at her. Don't you love me at all? You know I hate towers. You should have prevented me from this if you love me. My mom answered: You could have read the sign before you entered the building. It says this is a tower. You could have decided to stay outside.
My parents represented the King and the Queen. I followed the crowd because when we were one there was no free will and no own decisions.

11/22/2017 06:12:53

Sylvia - what a dream. I see it as quite vivid in my third eye. Must have been quite the experience. I love these shares. Thank you.

AlmaSabina

11/22/2017 10:37:35

This reminds me (not wanting to seem like I'm paraphrasing), in a shaud Adamus made it clear that the Divine Will was choosing us and not the other way around, I share the point of view with that in the end the human had no choice beyond the small human things, and (at the risk of appearing redundant) I believe reaffirms that free will is only a human illusion.

11/22/2017 17:39:36

I had a similar experience - in the end choice was an illusion. for the human.

11/22/2017 13:38:47

It keeps coming this distillation from this post:

free will + duality + veil = unconscious creation (fake freedom)
vs.

divine will = conscious creation (real freedom)

So we’ve been CREATORS ALL ALONG, but in Free Will we’re UNSCONSCIOUS CREATORS due to the veil filter - we’re creating from a place of unconsciousness, like a robot using a software (limited capacity) for a specific function; in Divine Will we become CONSCIOUS CREATORS, we become the software programmer. We design the experience. We have freedom.
And this is done in the last lifetime -this one- on Planet Earth by the Master, the soul, whatever… via the human. I see the human as a door.

So the difference as always is in the CONSCIOUSNESS. Before ‘I WASN’T that I am’, creating randomly in the duality box for the sake of gaining experience, and now ‘I AM that I am’, creating consciously as I please in a new playground (outside the box).

I’m repeating things, ha, but anyway, had to write it :)

Plus I’m feeling we’re discussing this in another space :D

Les

7/3/2018 14:56:12

http://gejirin.com/spirit/SPR_src/D/divine_will.htm

if you go intellectual on yourself, you will get stuck.

7/4/2018 00:00:39

Hey Les, what’s your wisdom? This is the place to share it.

Please don’t insult us with the it’s mental Shaumbra cliche.

Each person above shared deeply and you responded with a link to a bunch of channel.

Anytime you speak or write anything down, by its nature it will be mental. We’ve gotten over that here. We speak freely without worrying someone is going to come label it something.

Les Montgomery

7/4/2018 08:05:48

you are right Lauren

KAREN - LES WIFE

7/4/2018 11:42:07

Karen here. I haven’t officially joined this group yet because I thought Lauren was out of town until later in the month. I was waiting until then to officially join.
Les called my attention to this particular post. To be honest, as I read down through the posts my head spun and spun and spun. WHOA! What is that feeling/sensation? And the questions began.
How do I feel about Free Will vs. Divine Will? Is there a difference? And what about the Wall of Fire and all of that story? What do I know about my experience this lifetime and when was I in Free Will vs Divine Will?
Here’s what I know about me. I have no idea if this applies to anyone else or not but to me what I know makes me feel calm, peaceful, empowered, enlightened, at ease, confident and sure of ME.
How much of stories that we have been told about the Wall of Fire and the IBANK and so on and so forth are actually true? I have no idea…..BUT all of the stories have served me in one way or the other. My mind certainly appreciated the stories because they gave me for the moment some perceived sense of understanding. The IBANK story caused me to sob and sob and sob. I was so comforted by the idea that I had not betrayed me. I had not abandoned me this lifetime. I felt I AM was with me all of this lifetime like I had never felt I AM before. So certainly, that story served me and served me well.
As far as the Wall of Fire s story, well, let me share something first.
Briefly, my son died in an accident at 3 ½ years of age. When he came back into his body he brought a butt load of entities with him. Let it suffice to say that raising him was not an easy task. It wasn’t until a few short years ago that he realized there were three of him – the mean one, the mediator and the little 3 ½ year old boy. Today, he is free of all the entities and is going through the awakening process. I have so much wanted him to learn about these stories….BUT today as I was walking down the hallway to go into the laundry room I heard, “Karen, it doesn’t matter if he ever knows about any of those stories. What he really needs to know and experience and BE is I AM.”
This series of posts has caused me to realize that I really don’t care what we did, how we did it, where we did it or if we did it at all. It doesn’t matter. Nothing matters except for my becoming more and more conscious and aware of I AM – that I allow I AM to permeate my very being.
As I look back over my life and I see the decisions I made to move here or there, marry this one or not, say this or that……NOT at any time was I in free will. My life has simply unfolded with the direction of I AM. I have always, always, always felt a presence (one that I used to call GOD) and I have heard this voice instruct, give reason and direction. I always followed it….not out of duty or anything like that….I just followed that voice. There were times when I suffered greatly at the hands of others and was publicly humiliated, called satan and avoided in public when faced with those people – probably one of the most difficult times in my life….but I would not yield to their demands to conform. I could not explain to them my situation because I didn’t even understand my situation. I do now, but back then I didn’t. I get these feelings/senses inside that either propel me forward or cause me to stop right in my tracks. I believe that to be I AM directing and guiding me along my path.
My entire life has been like this. So before I became a conscious creator I was creating from I AM….not from my mind or my human. So simply based on my own personal experience I have to say I never ever experienced free will – it was I AM all the way. And the stories? Well aren’t they fun. Honestly I have no idea if any of them are true and it doesn’t matter. All that matters in my life is that I become more and more aware of I AM and allow all of I AM to embody this body.

7/4/2018 12:01:26

Love this share! Thank you so much for your personal stories and unique wisdom. Your son! Wow... I am traveling and only have my iPhone. I need the computer to access the website from the back end. Thanks for your patience. I do check my emails every other day so I was able to read this. I’m so glad you both joined. We have kind of created our own expression and these personal insights are so welcome. ❤️

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